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	<title>Comments on: The Future is Yesterday</title>
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		<title>By: Abhishek Tiwari</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek Tiwari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article and I am really enjoying this blog. I was curious if similar kind of predictions are possible for the next emerging pandemics like what Nathan Wolfe is trying to do through Global Viral Forecasting Initiative (http://www.gvfi.org/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article and I am really enjoying this blog. I was curious if similar kind of predictions are possible for the next emerging pandemics like what Nathan Wolfe is trying to do through Global Viral Forecasting Initiative (<a href="http://www.gvfi.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvfi.org/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Rajan</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the response Sharad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response Sharad.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharad Goel</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharad Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rajan, this is a great comment. Implicitly I&#039;m assuming (as did the Yahoo! and Google studies) that squared error is the pertinent loss function, and by this metric, the AR and search models perform comparably. As you say, however, you may in fact only care about predicting turning points.

The autoregressive model uses the last two reported flu levels. It essentially predicts that this week&#039;s flu level is the same as last week&#039;s level adjusted by either an upward or downward trend as inferred from the earlier week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rajan, this is a great comment. Implicitly I&#8217;m assuming (as did the Yahoo! and Google studies) that squared error is the pertinent loss function, and by this metric, the AR and search models perform comparably. As you say, however, you may in fact only care about predicting turning points.</p>
<p>The autoregressive model uses the last two reported flu levels. It essentially predicts that this week&#8217;s flu level is the same as last week&#8217;s level adjusted by either an upward or downward trend as inferred from the earlier week.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajan</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this example too, because it shows how simple models can do really well.

However, in my experience, sometimes you have to watch out with AR models, because sometimes they just say that the best least squares estimator (given an AR model) is to forecast that the next value is basically the same as the last.  The error of such a model can be very good in numerical terms, but as a forecast it might not be so good, because it can &quot;miss&quot; (i.e. the forecast lags) every turning point in the time series.  So, the forecast curve can look like the actuals shifted to the right by some time period.  It&#039;s hard to tell if that&#039;s what is happening in the figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this example too, because it shows how simple models can do really well.</p>
<p>However, in my experience, sometimes you have to watch out with AR models, because sometimes they just say that the best least squares estimator (given an AR model) is to forecast that the next value is basically the same as the last.  The error of such a model can be very good in numerical terms, but as a forecast it might not be so good, because it can &#8220;miss&#8221; (i.e. the forecast lags) every turning point in the time series.  So, the forecast curve can look like the actuals shifted to the right by some time period.  It&#8217;s hard to tell if that&#8217;s what is happening in the figure.</p>
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		<title>By: ZBicyclist</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>ZBicyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this example, showing that sometimes older, simpler methods still work remarkably well.

It seems to me that a hybrid system could be useful in a lot of health contexts -- use the search engine results to suggest online polling that could be done on a more scientific basis. [and, yes, I did use &quot;online polling&quot; and &quot;scientific&quot; in the same sentence -- I&#039;m amazed as well].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this example, showing that sometimes older, simpler methods still work remarkably well.</p>
<p>It seems to me that a hybrid system could be useful in a lot of health contexts &#8212; use the search engine results to suggest online polling that could be done on a more scientific basis. [and, yes, I did use "online polling" and "scientific" in the same sentence -- I'm amazed as well].</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about long term trends? At some point people querying the net for health-related searches at t=0 will have become knowledgeable about the epidemic, especially with a recurring disease like influenza. This could effect the number of queries, but not the incidence of the disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about long term trends? At some point people querying the net for health-related searches at t=0 will have become knowledgeable about the epidemic, especially with a recurring disease like influenza. This could effect the number of queries, but not the incidence of the disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharad Goel</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharad Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, yes, training and testing are on separate data sets (the Google study trains on flu data from September 2003 - March 2007, and tests on March 2007 - May 2008 data).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, yes, training and testing are on separate data sets (the Google study trains on flu data from September 2003 &#8211; March 2007, and tests on March 2007 &#8211; May 2008 data).</p>
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		<title>By: IanS</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>IanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool. I saw http://www.google.org/flutrends/ a while back but wasn&#039;t sure if they were comparing it to predictions CDC/WHO already makes. Quick question - do you know if those models are cross-validated? And good looking blog, btw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool. I saw <a href="http://www.google.org/flutrends/" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.org/flutrends/</a> a while back but wasn&#8217;t sure if they were comparing it to predictions CDC/WHO already makes. Quick question &#8211; do you know if those models are cross-validated? And good looking blog, btw!</p>
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		<title>By: J DeLong</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>J DeLong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this type of analysis. It was pounded into my head in grad school to always compare a novel idea to the next best novel idea. You really do that well here. Good job. I&#039;m enjoying your blog. Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this type of analysis. It was pounded into my head in grad school to always compare a novel idea to the next best novel idea. You really do that well here. Good job. I&#8217;m enjoying your blog. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: dreeves</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2009/03/21/the-future-is-yesterday/comment-page-1/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>dreeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, true, which kind of drives home Sharad&#039;s point: even such lagged CDC reports beat current search engine volume as a predictor of flu levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, true, which kind of drives home Sharad&#8217;s point: even such lagged CDC reports beat current search engine volume as a predictor of flu levels.</p>
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