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		<title>By: Cerebral Mastication &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I don&#8217;t even know how wrong I am!</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2680</link>
		<dc:creator>Cerebral Mastication &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I don&#8217;t even know how wrong I am!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a 90% confidence band around the right answer. If you haven&#8217;t seen this done, you should go take and look and then read the rest of this blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a 90% confidence band around the right answer. If you haven&#8217;t seen this done, you should go take and look and then read the rest of this blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: zbicyclist</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>zbicyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the expected result, but I thought it would apply to others, but not to me, since I knew the literature.  More proof education is not a cure ;)

I&#039;m trying to think about this in the context of the Delphi forecasting technique, which asks people for their forecast and their 90% confidence interval. One method of combining forecasts is to combine by the inverse of the expected error variance; but that&#039;s completely wrong if those with a narrow confidence interval aren&#039;t the most knowledgeable, just the most overconfident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the expected result, but I thought it would apply to others, but not to me, since I knew the literature.  More proof education is not a cure ;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to think about this in the context of the Delphi forecasting technique, which asks people for their forecast and their 90% confidence interval. One method of combining forecasts is to combine by the inverse of the expected error variance; but that&#8217;s completely wrong if those with a narrow confidence interval aren&#8217;t the most knowledgeable, just the most overconfident.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharad Goel</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharad Goel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tg: Don&#039;t feel embarrassed that you didn&#039;t cheat like Andrew :). The point of the exercise is introspection, not &quot;winning&quot;. I guess this is a case in point of misaligned incentives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tg: Don&#8217;t feel embarrassed that you didn&#8217;t cheat like Andrew :). The point of the exercise is introspection, not &#8220;winning&#8221;. I guess this is a case in point of misaligned incentives!</p>
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		<title>By: tg</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2222</link>
		<dc:creator>tg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Gelman,

As an engineer, I&#039;m embarrassed I didn&#039;t do the same. Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Gelman,</p>
<p>As an engineer, I&#8217;m embarrassed I didn&#8217;t do the same. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gelman</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2205</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tg:

I cheated.  I gave nine intervals as (-infinity, +infinity) and one interval as (0,0).  After all, the request was to be _perfectly calibrated_, not merely to be calibrated in expectation!  This was the only way I could be sure of getting &quot;90% of my intervals (no more, no less)&quot; to contain the true values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tg:</p>
<p>I cheated.  I gave nine intervals as (-infinity, +infinity) and one interval as (0,0).  After all, the request was to be _perfectly calibrated_, not merely to be calibrated in expectation!  This was the only way I could be sure of getting &#8220;90% of my intervals (no more, no less)&#8221; to contain the true values.</p>
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		<title>By: tg</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2147</link>
		<dc:creator>tg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Gelman, what was your number?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Gelman, what was your number?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gelman</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Gelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 21:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an oldie but a goodie, dating back at least to the classic 1968 paper by Alpert and Raiffa.  My own version is in section 4 of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/bayesdemos.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.  More recently, there&#039;s been some interesting literature on the idea of anchoring and adjustment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an oldie but a goodie, dating back at least to the classic 1968 paper by Alpert and Raiffa.  My own version is in section 4 of <a href="http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/bayesdemos.pdf" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.  More recently, there&#8217;s been some interesting literature on the idea of anchoring and adjustment.</p>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was even harder (better?) for me as an European who is not so well versed in Imperial units (&quot;in pounds? why not in euros?&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was even harder (better?) for me as an European who is not so well versed in Imperial units (&#8220;in pounds? why not in euros?&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Aleks</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2046</link>
		<dc:creator>Aleks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US Marines have a saying &quot;When you&#039;re 70% certain, act!&quot;

So, the test checks for our default calibration. It&#039;s hard to program oneself to operate at a pre-defined calibration level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Marines have a saying &#8220;When you&#8217;re 70% certain, act!&#8221;</p>
<p>So, the test checks for our default calibration. It&#8217;s hard to program oneself to operate at a pre-defined calibration level.</p>
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		<title>By: dreeves</title>
		<link>http://messymatters.com/2010/02/28/calibration/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>dreeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reader disputes one of our answers: (Don&#039;t follow these links till you take the quiz!)

&gt; I am regular reader of your blog. I just tested my (over-)confidence and 
&gt; was surprised by your value for the deepest point in the ocean.
&gt; 
&gt; Are you sure it&#039;s correct? I found different values, e.g. a different
&gt; one to yours here:
&gt;  
&gt; http://www.marianatrench.com/mariana_trench-oceanography.htm

Thanks! We were using the number currently at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean which cites
http://www.rain.org/ocean/ocean-studies-challenger-deep-mariana-trench.html .

I&#039;m now thinking this is the more definitive source, based on what it cites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench

(I guess I&#039;ll edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean to be consistent. [done])</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reader disputes one of our answers: (Don&#8217;t follow these links till you take the quiz!)</p>
<p>> I am regular reader of your blog. I just tested my (over-)confidence and<br />
> was surprised by your value for the deepest point in the ocean.<br />
><br />
> Are you sure it&#8217;s correct? I found different values, e.g. a different<br />
> one to yours here:<br />
><br />
> <a href="http://www.marianatrench.com/mariana_trench-oceanography.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.marianatrench.com/mariana_trench-oceanography.htm</a></p>
<p>Thanks! We were using the number currently at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean</a> which cites<br />
<a href="http://www.rain.org/ocean/ocean-studies-challenger-deep-mariana-trench.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rain.org/ocean/ocean-studies-challenger-deep-mariana-trench.html</a> .</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now thinking this is the more definitive source, based on what it cites:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench</a></p>
<p>(I guess I&#8217;ll edit <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean</a> to be consistent. [done])</p>
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