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		By: Links for May 2019 &#8211; pelicanesis		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] For Love and/or Money: Financial Autonomy in Marriage (22 minutes) [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2019 20:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] There is also a married couple I discuss that have a very geeky marriage. They’re both into game theory and economics and bid on everything, but it’s still negotiating — they haven’t really objectified each [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There is also a married couple I discuss that have a very geeky marriage. They’re both into game theory and economics and bid on everything, but it’s still negotiating — they haven’t really objectified each [&#8230;]</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2019 13:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] There is also a married couple I discuss that have a very geeky marriage. They’re both into game theory and economics and bid on everything, but it’s still negotiating — they haven’t really objectified each [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] There is also a married couple I discuss that have a very geeky marriage. They’re both into game theory and economics and bid on everything, but it’s still negotiating — they haven’t really objectified each [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Selling to friends (and telling crushes you like them) - Malcolm Ocean		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] lots of awkwardness at the start but I can imagine it becoming more comfortable over time. Examples one and [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] lots of awkwardness at the start but I can imagine it becoming more comfortable over time. Examples one and [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Portland Redux and World Domination Summit 2015 – Corey Breier		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] money if you fail to meet your self-imposed goals. The founders are a husband and wife duo who are so rational that they pay each other to do household chores, from driving the kids around to doing the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] money if you fail to meet your self-imposed goals. The founders are a husband and wife duo who are so rational that they pay each other to do household chores, from driving the kids around to doing the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: thesteamboat comments on &#8220;Poor Little Rich Women&#8221; &#124; blog.offeryour.com		</title>
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		By: Justin		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/autonomy/#comment-228407&quot;&gt;Max&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m thinking aloud here, but maybe you could help him spell out the consequences of his actions. It sounds like you&#039;re the one that owns or rents the place, and you also mentioned food. So maybe charge him a fair market value for rent and food that you&#039;re purchasing. 

Then when he doesn&#039;t have enough money, you grant him a monthly subsidy to make up for it. The subsidy is the amount you&#039;re paying for your children to not suffer and because you love him. The hard part is then to come to grips that the subsidy is not infinite. Tell him that. 

I realize we&#039;re talking about the value of your children&#039;s suffering and the value of your love, but you don&#039;t need to have a concrete number. Like in the article, you can start to set upper and lower bounds. Like if it&#039;s $10, that&#039;s no big deal since your love is worth more than that. If it&#039;s 1,000,000 then maybe your children would be better off with the opportunity that money could buy... Then work your way down or up. Again, you don&#039;t need to actually arrive at a number. But maybe it will drive home the point that you&#039;re not made of infinite money and his financial autonomy has exceeded his capacity. Maybe it&#039;ll be a wakeup call that he&#039;s not just affecting himself with his poor decisions, it&#039;s costing you and your children. 

Or maybe instead of a subsidy, make it a loan. Charge him interest. It&#039;ll be like forced savings. 

I&#039;m thinking the subsidy works better, mainly because it&#039;s simpler. And being a loan collector is hard. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/autonomy/#comment-228407">Max</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking aloud here, but maybe you could help him spell out the consequences of his actions. It sounds like you&#8217;re the one that owns or rents the place, and you also mentioned food. So maybe charge him a fair market value for rent and food that you&#8217;re purchasing. </p>
<p>Then when he doesn&#8217;t have enough money, you grant him a monthly subsidy to make up for it. The subsidy is the amount you&#8217;re paying for your children to not suffer and because you love him. The hard part is then to come to grips that the subsidy is not infinite. Tell him that. </p>
<p>I realize we&#8217;re talking about the value of your children&#8217;s suffering and the value of your love, but you don&#8217;t need to have a concrete number. Like in the article, you can start to set upper and lower bounds. Like if it&#8217;s $10, that&#8217;s no big deal since your love is worth more than that. If it&#8217;s 1,000,000 then maybe your children would be better off with the opportunity that money could buy&#8230; Then work your way down or up. Again, you don&#8217;t need to actually arrive at a number. But maybe it will drive home the point that you&#8217;re not made of infinite money and his financial autonomy has exceeded his capacity. Maybe it&#8217;ll be a wakeup call that he&#8217;s not just affecting himself with his poor decisions, it&#8217;s costing you and your children. </p>
<p>Or maybe instead of a subsidy, make it a loan. Charge him interest. It&#8217;ll be like forced savings. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking the subsidy works better, mainly because it&#8217;s simpler. And being a loan collector is hard. </p>
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		By: Daniel Reeves		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2015 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/autonomy/#comment-228407&quot;&gt;Max&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, astute question. I have no idea how to extend this to larger groups (like libertarianism tries to do) or even to pairs of people both of whom aren&#039;t fully trustworthy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/autonomy/#comment-228407">Max</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, astute question. I have no idea how to extend this to larger groups (like libertarianism tries to do) or even to pairs of people both of whom aren&#8217;t fully trustworthy.</p>
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		By: Max		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2015 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question; is the partner still &quot;financially autonomous&quot; when they go bankrupt? Do you allow them to move into their cars while you lounge on the couch and eat cat food while you eat roast? Because this is what happened in my relationship; bf wanted to be &quot;financially autonomous&quot; so that he could continue his poor spending habits, and then when everything blew up in his face I couldn&#039;t possibly put him out on the street without my children suffering.

This is my problem with libertarianism as well. It&#039;s all fine and good to cut taxes and move services to private, fee based systems; but if one does this then don&#039;t go crying when your house burns down because you couldn&#039;t afford to pay the fees.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question; is the partner still &#8220;financially autonomous&#8221; when they go bankrupt? Do you allow them to move into their cars while you lounge on the couch and eat cat food while you eat roast? Because this is what happened in my relationship; bf wanted to be &#8220;financially autonomous&#8221; so that he could continue his poor spending habits, and then when everything blew up in his face I couldn&#8217;t possibly put him out on the street without my children suffering.</p>
<p>This is my problem with libertarianism as well. It&#8217;s all fine and good to cut taxes and move services to private, fee based systems; but if one does this then don&#8217;t go crying when your house burns down because you couldn&#8217;t afford to pay the fees.</p>
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